Sunday, May 27, 2012
Comments about Sucragel, emulsifiers, and natural products...
In response to Catherine, who commented in this post. As I mentioned in the first post on Sucragel, I do not know where to get it. I received mine as a sample from a supplier who was planning to carry it, but I don't see that they have yet. Susie noted in this post that "Aroma Zone sell a product called Gelisucre which has an INCI similar to Sucragel." Aroma Zone is in French, so I think they might in Quebec or France. (I'm leaning towards France...)
allaboutlavender commented in this post: Thank you for covering emulsifiers! It would be such a time saver to be able to do cold emulsions. However, I did notice that the link supplied by Robert led to formulas using Sucragel that were heated as usual. It also didn't list very long timelines for stability. Is this really a good emulsifier? I guess time will tell.
To make a thicker lotion, you really have to use a butter or fatty alcohol, and that requires us to heat the oil phase. You don't have to heat and hold it, just ensure everything has melted, but that means that you aren't really using it cold. From a stability standpoint, I've found it to be stable. I have lotions I made about 12 months ago and others that are at least 18 months old: Some are going rancid, but they are definitely still emulsified.
As I mentioned in my first post on emulsifiers, "I've seen your requests to work with other emulsifiers, but I have to buy all my supplies myself and shipping to Canada can be very expensive, so I'm afraid I can't accommodate those requests." I'd love to try other emulsifiers, but when I have to spend my own money and pay for shipping to Canada, it gets a little pricey. (And if I get it shipped to the border, it means I have to find a time when the line ups aren't huge!) If you have an emulsifier you'd like me to try, I'll happily accept samples or products shipped to me and I'll do some experimenting. I will gleefully write posts about it, but you're getting my opinion, good or bad.
commented in this post, P.S. I don't know if you have already but it would be nice to have a scale of how "natural" a product is in its own category: surfactants, thickeners, extra additives (like hydrolyzed protein, panthenol, honeyquat). With the criteria being its processing level, and what its "derived" from, etc.
Although this is a great idea, this isn't something I'm able to do. There would be so much work required - for instance, learning how each ingredient is processed by each manufacturer, if that information isn't considered confidential - and I don't have that kind of time. Also, what's your definition of natural? If we looked at something like Sucragel AOF, would we consider this natural or not? (I don't tend to think of things that have been manufactured as being natural, so I'd put this in the processed category.) And if we consider what something is "derived from", that can be abused like silly! I've seen silicones advertising as being "derived from sand". I think this would be a great topic for someone who was interested in the topic, and I'd definitely link to that blog/website, but I think it's really a massive task!
Why the picture of my dog? I thought she looked curious and adorable, and I figured you were tired of seeing that bottle of Sucragel AOF.